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I'm quite relaxed about them setting up The People's Republics of Jockistan and Taffistan - provided of course that they relinquish all claims on English money!
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gazaprop wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:45 pm I'm quite relaxed about them setting up The People's Republics of Jockistan and Taffistan - provided of course that they relinquish all claims on English money!
How very 1970s
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superbike999 wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 11:07 pm The main problem is that both Wales and Scotland are run by incompetent muppets
Well said
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Can't blame anyone for wanting to do their own thing when following Boris and his pals is the alternative.
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Ste_B wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:29 pm Can't blame anyone for wanting to do their own thing when following Boris and his pals is the alternative.
We gave up being a serious country when Cameron won again in 2015. Let's face it, the clowns we have in charge haven't got the moral authority to do what Wales and Scotland have done anyway.

Speaking to people who work in hospitals at the moment is depressing - you feel they've been chucked under the bus again. Let's all hope Omicron is the beginning of the end of the virus.
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Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:35 pm
Ste_B wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:29 pm Can't blame anyone for wanting to do their own thing when following Boris and his pals is the alternative.
We gave up being a serious country when Cameron won again in 2015. Let's face it, the clowns we have in charge haven't got the moral authority to do what Wales and Scotland have done anyway.

Speaking to people who work in hospitals at the moment is depressing - you feel they've been chucked under the bus again. Let's all hope Omicron is the beginning of the end of the virus.
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Ste_B wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:29 pm Can't blame anyone for wanting to do their own thing when following Boris and his pals is the alternative.
I'm sure many (well, around 52% of people) will completely understand not wanting to be governed by politicians and unelected bureaucrats from other countries, and completely supported Wales and Scotland with their execution of their devolved powers.
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Ralphy Rylance wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:14 pm
gazaprop wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:45 pm I'm quite relaxed about them setting up The People's Republics of Jockistan and Taffistan - provided of course that they relinquish all claims on English money!
How very 1970s
Thank you! The 1970's - the decade 'woke' forgot. :D
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Formula Port wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 10:23 pm Absolute nonsense. It’s on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhere.
Sounds like Wales to me :o
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59920281
The item says Chester played previously when lockdown rules were similar to now, and no one kicked off then.
Welsh fans allowed to travel to England seems to be absolutely fine with everyone, but a couple of thousand English encroaching no further than 2 Doug Tharme throw ins into Welsh territory - suddenly no chance.
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Putting the usual schadenfreude and club rivalries aside and trying to look at this objectively I can't help but to feel for Chester a bit.It's absolute nonsense.

Anyone who's been to the ground knows it's only reasonably accessible through an in industrial estate where you have to travel through England (to my knowledge you can't reasonably approach from the Wales side unless you want to walk across several muddy fields).

The easiest solution probably is to amend the actual border (which was drawn arbitrarily almost 300 years ago) to incorporate the full ground in England (or Wales). Ask CFC are you English or are you Welsh and have done with it. Seems crackers that half of Wrexham can go en masse to every away game in England before returning to "real" Wales with all these nasty English viruses. However Chester fans who can only reasonably approach and leave games through England without any risk of interacting with people in Wales look like they're going to get the book thrown at them. The Welsh government seem to be enforcing the letter of the law to the nth degree rather than the spirit of it when the reality is that many people in both England and Wales are now just doing what they want anyway.

Hope they get it sorted before 5 Feb anyway because Chester away is always usually a good day out.
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Hillside Raider wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:09 pm Putting the usual schadenfreude and club rivalries aside and trying to look at this objectively I can't help but to feel for Chester a bit.It's absolute nonsense.

Anyone who's been to the ground knows it's only reasonably accessible through an in industrial estate where you have to travel through England (to my knowledge you can't reasonably approach from the Wales side unless you want to walk across several muddy fields).

The easiest solution probably is to amend the actual border (which was drawn arbitrarily almost 300 years ago) to incorporate the full ground in England (or Wales). Ask CFC are you English or are you Welsh and have done with it. Seems crackers that half of Wrexham can go en masse to every away game in England before returning to "real" Wales with all these nasty English viruses. However Chester fans who can only reasonably approach and leave games through England without any risk of interacting with people in Wales look like they're going to get the book thrown at them. The Welsh government seem to be enforcing the letter of the law to the nth degree rather than the spirit of it when the reality is that many people in both England and Wales are now just doing what they want anyway.

Hope they get it sorted before 5 Feb anyway because Chester away is always usually a good day out.
That makes complete sense, however, common sense isn’t something our Politicians seem to possess.
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Hillside Raider wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:09 pm Putting the usual schadenfreude and club rivalries aside and trying to look at this objectively I can't help but to feel for Chester a bit.It's absolute nonsense.

Anyone who's been to the ground knows it's only reasonably accessible through an in industrial estate where you have to travel through England (to my knowledge you can't reasonably approach from the Wales side unless you want to walk across several muddy fields).

The easiest solution probably is to amend the actual border (which was drawn arbitrarily almost 300 years ago) to incorporate the full ground in England (or Wales). Ask CFC are you English or are you Welsh and have done with it. Seems crackers that half of Wrexham can go en masse to every away game in England before returning to "real" Wales with all these nasty English viruses. However Chester fans who can only reasonably approach and leave games through England without any risk of interacting with people in Wales look like they're going to get the book thrown at them. The Welsh government seem to be enforcing the letter of the law to the nth degree rather than the spirit of it when the reality is that many people in both England and Wales are now just doing what they want anyway.

Hope they get it sorted before 5 Feb anyway because Chester away is always usually a good day out.

Totally agree with this post especially on the spirit of the law. Yes, the ground is in Wales but this shouldn’t have become a story when sensible, fair minded, behind doors discussions would have avoided it becoming so. The only possible problem for Chester was accepting a business support grant for bar losses from Flintshire county council during lockdown but then going ahead with the Dec 28 & Jan 2 matches without discussing it with them. At least the Welsh First Minister is now talking of finding a pragmatic solution rather than the bull in a china shop approach his government spokesman engaged in - basically its in Wales so the rules apply - take a day off, fella!
As Hillside Raider says it’s a good day out so hopefully Feb 5th is still open to crowds.
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SteH90 wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:47 pmThe only possible problem for Chester was accepting a business support grant for bar losses from Flintshire county council during lockdown but then going ahead with the Dec 28 & Jan 2 matches without discussing it with them.
and there is the nub of the problem. You can't choose to take advantage of the ground being in Wales when you're seeking to gain a financial advantage, and then claim that Welsh regulations don't apply to you a short time later. You either accept you shouldn't have fans in the ground, or you return the funding and state that you are English. Does anyone know whether it's Flintshire or Cheshire West and Chester that are the local authority issuing the safety certificate that allows the ground to be used?
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Cheshire West and Chester Council issue the safety certificate, without which the ground could not be used. However, CFC’s business rates are paid to Flintshire, a Welsh council. It’s all very messy.
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Churchtown Yellow wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:17 am Cheshire West and Chester Council issue the safety certificate, without which the ground could not be used. However, CFC’s business rates are paid to Flintshire, a Welsh council. It’s all very messy.
yes, having read into it a bit further, although the safety certificate is from CW&C, the bars in the ground are licensed by Flintshire, hence the grant they received (which was apparently for loss of hospitality revenue) came from them, as they were ineligible to apply to CW&C due to not being licenced by them.

personally I think the most equitable solution to the situation would be to wind the club up, bulldoze the ground and never mention them again... ;)
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Re: Chester

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Chester have postponed their match v Brackley and an U19 match v Halifax due to the situation ( not even a pretence that it's for any other reason>)
Today it's been announced that supporters will be allowed back into Welsh grounds from next Friday, no restrictions.
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becbee wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:34 am Chester have postponed their match v Brackley and an U19 match v Halifax due to the situation ( not even a pretence that it's for any other reason>)
Today it's been announced that supporters will be allowed back into Welsh grounds from next Friday, no restrictions.
Some great songs and banter to be had when we play there I suspect....
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Re: Chester

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Wails in the home end wjen we win :lol:
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